Curse

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I believe it's the act of someone reporting you for 'verbal abuse' that simply triggers the err=### and automatedly kicks and temp-bans you for a duration scaling on your history of violations (auto-pilot action). I precieve that it may require detecting/comparing your 'bad' words off a master list of some sort that they (the Dev's) have.. and if a certain quantity is reached in a given amount of time, you get banned (this is assuming in good faith that the Dev's even care enough to be the least bit fair about these automated bannings).

In conclusion, I don't roll in the mud with anyone, I get reported/d-hexed, curse about it, get reported maliciously again & again & again & again & again only in an attempt to get me banned; I get banned (because it's automated.. or in 'auto-pilot'.. no developer's review or interaction), they laugh heartily, continue entering RA to abuse the rest as much as possible, etc.. [rinse/repeat]

Many of my friends quit RA and the game in lieu of this, as well as crummy updates and GvG-oriented nerfs. I know; they TOLD me before they left.. So anyone jumping to conclusions are only putting hollow words in my mouth, disregarding facts.

Yeah, it's what people do in this situation.
My Guild Leader has pretty much quit the game, mostly due to the reporting system, but also due to the lack of updates. It's pretty sad since I feel obligated to stick with my Guild, but I'm really wanting to get into the GvG scene while it's still alive. So I always hope that maybe if enough people complain something will change.

Edit: Shadowspawn, you have no idea what you are talking about. Reports do nothing to stop bots, there are a fair few in RA and there are many elsewhere (JQ).

Also you don't seem to realize the problem. You are assuming that he is complaining for being banned for using profanities, which isn't the problem. The problem is people using /report as a means to get back at people who didn't deserve the punishment, simply because they know that no one checks the /reports. You don't necessairly even need to swear to get banned nowdays.

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Back then

If you're constantly being blasted in RA chances are it's because you're a bad player. People in RA are very quick to criticize you, and if you can't handle it don't bother going there.

Games are meant to have fun with and enjoy, not BLAST EVERYONE and make gaming as MISERABLE as ****ing possible (good or bad conduct).

Additionally (back then), players used to map out simply because they knew that only certain skill configurations (or builds) were prime, and when players entered with less effective skills, weaker damage, less deep wound, kd, rupts, etc.. etc.. and compared them to that of their opposition (who often had the prime builds), they had REASON to because they have common sense and knowledge of all Guild Wars skills and their effectiveness.. or in other *lesser* words.. EXPERIENCE).

Part of competing is knowing your enemy as well as the skills and mechanics of the game you play. Anything less and you're frankly at a huge disadvantage! Unfair? Not if they're capable of learning the game!

RA is being raped by emotional children that use the /report system to lunge at every minor verbal infraction, or at every resigned individual (knowing FULL-WELL that they're at a HUGE disadvantage without a monk and/or against 1-3 monk teams). This needs to stop and I'm gathering the opinions of RAers on Guru to help assess the issue and hopefully draw the attention of the Live Team (whoever that one person or 'individual' is) to rectify this problem we all have in Random Arenas. Again, RA is an arena, just like TA, HB, HA, GvG, etc.. it's in need of care and attention all the same.

poasiods · May 22, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10

The OP and Chocobo were both banned multiple times for verbal abuse because they were raging. Sounds like the report system did its job.

OP justifies leaving in middle of a match for reasons such as poor teammates and the lack of a healer. Well, the dishonorable system was created so players like OP wouldn't leave in the middle of the game just because he didn't exactly receive an ideal set-up or experienced players. A portion of RA will always be occupied by players new to PvP or ones who simply want to test out their new builds - so-called 'inferior players muddling in their own loss.' No one expects to win with these guys, but most people learn to suck it up and try to adapt. Surely, it won't be necessary to explain what would happen if any player could freely exit out of any matches without consequences?

Also, although it is only lightly implied, sounds like OP does rage at other players for refusing to resign or organizing builds that aren't quite up to his standards. Report system is one of the few elements in Random Arenas (common courtesy being one of the others) that prevents the angrier participants from driving it to a complete shithole. I'm sorry, OP, but looks to me like you just want the report system gone so you can abuse the game in ways that are currently punishable.

Chocobo1, if the immature players in Guild Wars actually report you for just disagreeing with them, why did you mention having to avoid being offensive by filtering out your words before typing them? I think you might be theorizing on the part about uncalled-for-reporting.

Although all this sounds scary in theory, but I've personally never had any trouble with the reporting system in my share of RA and disputes with random people. I'm inclined to think the majority of the people having issues with the system are doing something disagreeable in general.

garethporlest18 · May 22, 2009, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

RA is being raped by emotional children that use the /report system to lunge at every minor verbal infraction, or at every resigned individual (knowing FULL-WELL that they're at a HUGE disadvantage without a monk and/or against 1-3 monk teams). This needs to stop and I'm gathering the opinions of RAers on Guru to help assess the issue and hopefully draw the attention of the Live Team (whoever that one person or 'individual' is) to rectify this problem we all have in Random Arenas. Again, RA is an arena, just like TA, HB, HA, GvG, etc.. it's in need of care and attention all the same.

The problem is Anet views those words you use, to be used with ill-intent, regardless of the context you used them in, because that is how most adults think..even if they use these words. It's more or less the adults trying to shield themselves and others and children from words that are not meant to harm but since society has gotten so attached to labeling these "vulgar" words as evil, that's the way it is.

It's not going to change anytime soon, at least not with Anet. So like I said before, we have to bow down. Since these words are banned, and since the people overseeing these bans seem to think without logic and run like a machine, try using different words that have the same harmful meaning but are not banned (because we as a society seem to only use a small part of what we can when we think things up). That way you can insult the masses if you would like and not get banned for it because hell Anet doesn't know any better, they only see one list of words as being EVIL BAD. Rather than the intent behind the words.

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by poasiods

The OP and Chocobo were both banned multiple times for verbal abuse because they were raging. Sounds like the report system did its job.

OP justifies leaving in middle of a match for reasons such as poor teammates and the lack of a healer. Well, the dishonorable system was created so players like OP wouldn't leave in the middle of the game just because he didn't exactly receive an ideal set-up or experienced players. A portion of RA will always be occupied by players new to PvP or ones who simply want to test out their new builds - so-called 'inferior players muddling in their own loss.' No one expects to win with these guys, but most people learn to suck it up and try to adapt. Surely, it won't be necessary to explain what would happen if any player could freely exit out of any matches without consequences?

Also, although it is only lightly implied, sounds like OP does rage at other players for refusing to resign or organizing builds that aren't quite up to his standards. Report system is one of the few elements in Random Arenas (common courtesy being one of the others) that prevents the angrier participants from driving it to a complete shithole. I'm sorry, OP, but looks to me like you just want the report system gone so you can abuse the game in ways that are currently punishable.

Chocobo1, if the immature players in Guild Wars actually report you for just disagreeing with them, why did you mention having to avoid being offensive by filtering out your words before typing them? I think you might be theorizing on the part about uncalled-for-reporting.

Although all this sounds scary in theory, but I've personally never had any trouble with the reporting system in my share of RA and disputes with random people. I'm inclined to think the majority of the people having issues with the system are doing something disagreeable in general.

Ugh, I meant in general. Casual swearing, although obviously not the best habbit, is something I do. I had to filter this out just to stay in this game. And sometimes that isn't enough. Maybe I didn't go into enough detail. I have witnessed people being reported for things such as suggesting to use a certain skill over another because what they are currently running is bad met by STFU NOOB REPORTED. This is what I want gone. Kids who abuse the system. If you are abusing someone without swearing, that is still verbal abuse and I can accept that people should get banned for that. It is hard to define what exactly verbal abuse qualifies as, but there are situations in which I am positive there was no need for a report and it has been used purely to harass another player.

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by poasiods

The OP and Chocobo were both banned multiple times for verbal abuse because they were raging. Sounds like the report system did its job.

OP justifies leaving in middle of a match for reasons such as poor teammates and the lack of a healer. Well, the dishonorable system was created so players like OP wouldn't leave in the middle of the game just because he didn't exactly receive an ideal set-up or experienced players. A portion of RA will always be occupied by players new to PvP or ones who simply want to test out their new builds - so-called 'inferior players muddling in their own loss.' No one expects to win with these guys, but most people learn to suck it up and try to adapt. Surely, it won't be necessary to explain what would happen if any player could freely exit out of any matches without consequences?

Also, although it is only lightly implied, sounds like OP does rage at other players for refusing to resign or organizing builds that aren't quite up to his standards. Report system is one of the few elements in Random Arenas (common courtesy being one of the others) that prevents the angrier participants from driving it to a complete shithole. I'm sorry, OP, but looks to me like you just want the report system gone so you can abuse the game in ways that are currently punishable.

Chocobo1, if the immature players in Guild Wars actually report you for just disagreeing with them, why did you mention having to avoid being offensive by filtering out your words before typing them? I think you might be theorizing on the part about uncalled-for-reporting.

Although all this sounds scary in theory, but I've personally never had any trouble with the reporting system in my share of RA and disputes with random people. I'm inclined to think the majority of the people having issues with the system are doing something disagreeable in general.

I'll put all my cards on the table just for you, poasoids.

1.) Do I rage if players don't roll effective builds?

YES (EVERYONE on the grind for gladiator titles goes to RA for acquisition; seldom TA (it's usually near-empty.. those that do roll E/Me Mindblast+Distortion x2-3 and LC Nec/Monk for OP'dness.. *LAME*)[Are we to bow down to those that can care less about 'competing' just because they want to be bad? I don't know about you, but RA's there to earn gladiator points and balth. faction *by WINNING/{not} LOSING*]

2.) Do I rush in to suicide, hence incurring the same outcome as that of 'mapping out' (which the dishonor hex was 'supposed' to counter by forcing us to roll in the same mud along with everybody else and LOSE horribadly)?

YES (Because it proves that the Dishonor System's flawed and fails to achieve it's goal.. Anet cannot control the player.. and if they kicked every single player that did this, GWars would be one very desolate place).

3.) Do I deny resigning?

YES (to give those that once cried for this update to get here 'quickly' a taste of their own medicine now that those very same people are currently complaining over why no one's resigning.. call it Karma if you will..)

4.) Do I curse at people?

YES (but only if they insult me, run deliberately inferior builds for the sake of grieving, report me falsely and mercilessly to get me temp-banned/kicked out, etc..)

So YES, you're quite accurate about my OP. I DO have alot of anger bottled up inside because of this abuse, which is why I come here to expose it, call it out and draw the attention of the Developer in charge of GW1 in hopes of getting this abuse extinguished once and for ALL!

garethporlest18 · May 22, 2009, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Well Regulus to be fair, a lot of the builds I run in RA are made up from my own mind (or so I think, I don't look at anything to make them at least), I go to RA because it's the easiest way to test against real people to see if it actually works. You get in fast, the battle is fast and the situation you are in is setup for just that. I don't go in there with a bad build on purpose just to make the team fail. I think a lot of other RAers are like that as well.

But what I can see you arguing about is making RA a more elitist place and to exclude others. Which just isn't what it's used for. That's what TA/HA and GvG is used for. You lose, you go back in. I've lost a lot in a row due to me getting a bad matchup, that's the way RA goes, you can't really QQ about it. If you unleash that rage in an offensive manner with ill intent then you're bound to get banned, it's not anyone else's fault. I don't rage at people because I know what will happen.

If you want to play Guild Wars you have to put on the leash and submit man.

Also Chocobo there is nothing wrong with casually saying words, society has just deemed those words inappropriate because of past intent. Anet just follows suit because they have to.

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 07:01 AM // 07:01

This thread got a little sidetracked, or I got a little sidetracked while trying to press my views <_<;. And ae, I have long since accepted that I can't say what I want to say and I'm fine with it, it's just annoying that even after changing my own habits that I still get reported for things that should not be reportable.

StormX · May 22, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Odd, I use a lot of profanity ingame but have never been banned. Maybe it's because I don't direct them at anyone in particular. Sometimes if I get irritated enough I yell at the PC; I know better than to type insults in chat. Besides, why say "f--- you f-----" when there are many more creative ways to respond? (cue:WITHOUT vulgarity) Don't be the baited, be the baiter!

garethporlest18 · May 22, 2009, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by StormX

Odd, I use a lot of profanity ingame but have never been banned. Maybe it's because I don't direct them at anyone in particular. Sometimes if I get irritated enough I yell at the PC; I know better than to type insults in chat. Besides, why say "f--- you f-----" when there are many more creative ways to respond? (cue:WITHOUT vulgarity) Don't be the baited, be the baiter!

Because your intent is still the same, many people don't report because of that but I'm sure Anet would ban because of that, at least that's what it says in their EULA. But probably not, who knows. Vulgar words are the evil (even though they aren't any more effective than saying a different, more creative word) so yeah, don't use them. You'll make babies cry everywhere and cause global warming and make world hunger a worse thing.

StormX · May 22, 2009, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Haha probably... sometimes I'll say things like "Oh s--- we're f---ed" or "s.o.b. leechers" but I won't insult specific people. That's just an invitation to get banned. Also, I make it a point never to use vulgarities in an altercation. When you have to resort to swearing you've already lost the argument...so just don't, nomatter how annoying the other person is. Or even better, set your status to DnD or Offline. That's what I usually do when pvping.

malevolence · May 22, 2009, 08:18 AM // 08:18

4 years playing gw , and never reported , because I didn't curse someone or whatever.

The only time that I had a bad moment , was when last month I bought a new account (complete edition of gw) and started a Warrior for pvp , of course , I didn't have other elite skill than "Charge" , so to avoid being confuse with a bot I was always saying hello and talking to the party , but I got blamed and cursed for bringing "charge" hahaha, when I got enough points then I bought another elite.

Other than that , never got a issue.

pumpkin pie · May 22, 2009, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Arena Net >>> NON-CONSECUTIVE 5 WINS = 1 gladiator points. Penalty, problem solve

MithranArkanere · May 22, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

If some people reports for leeching when it is not true it may be an issue. For example, a Synch team getting rid of possible annoyances to get always teams of 4, by reporting for leeching anyone that gets into their team when they are 2 or 3.
Yeah, that the kind of issue to address and fix, like syncing itself.
Those things are bad.

But cursing? You are asking not to get reported when you curse? Come on!!

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If you curse, you are the only one at fault for that, even if you suffer from Tourette syndrome. You want to become something like that 'Der Echte Gangster' (A.K.A mad german kid) character that fat german self-proclaimed actor played on Youtube and many people think it was the guy being himself? No·you·don't.
Like there are places in real life where you can curse (in a bar with friends) and places where you are not supposed to do so (at church, during class, many kinds of workplaces...) there are places on the Internet where you can curse, and places where you can't.
A game with rules against inappropriate language is one of the places where you can't curse.
And you are basically saying that others make you curse. That's not true. No one makes you curse. YOU curse, and people take that chance to report you so you get banned, period.

Have you ever seen a cat in front of a chained dog? Once they notice the dog is chained and can't get them, they will go as close as possible to stay there, calmly cleaning themselves while the dog keeps barking and barking until it gets hoarse.
In this case, you are the dog, you keep barking and barking, and that does nothing but harming you. You are going to stay chained until you become a calm cat.

Also, as I have already said many times, there are a lot of mild expressions you can perfectly and safely use, and if you don't know them, just watch some 60's American TV series, you'll get plenty of euphemisms to use in there.

Now go get yourself a curse jar or something and stop bothering people for something that is only your fault.

uzumaki · May 22, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

lol RA.

Korean districts have a similar problem. It's common courtesy to resign if your team doesn't get a monk/healer. Those who refuse to resign will often get reported for leeching. Reported for wanting to play the game! I've even seen people who d/c get reported for leeching...

Maybe A-net should implement a function which doesn't allow you to report a player who has been active at any time during the game i.e has moved/casted etc

pz

GourangaPizza · May 22, 2009, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by uzumaki

lol RA.

Korean districts have a similar problem. It's common courtesy to resign if your team doesn't get a monk/healer. Those who refuse to resign will often get reported for leeching. Reported for wanting to play the game! I've even seen people who d/c get reported for leeching...

Maybe A-net should implement a function which doesn't allow you to report a player who has been active at any time during the game i.e has moved/casted etc

pz

Huh? I'm pretty sure its called Random Arena for a reason or should it be renamed as LA (Lucky Arena) to knock some sense? You can't choose who you are paired with. Even you do have the monk, if your team's aggressors are incompetent, you still can't make past the round.

On topic I always find verbal abuse report redundant since you can either add the annoying prick to your ignore list or on your chat filter. The term "Verbal Abuse" is too vague to be defined accurately and people often mixed it up with swearing. It is silly when you chide somebody and get reported for verbal abuse.

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by GourangaPizza

Huh? I'm pretty sure its called Random Arena for a reason or should it be renamed as LA (Lucky Arena) to knock some sense? You can't choose who you are paired with. Even you do have the monk, if your team's aggressors are incompetent, you still can't make past the round.

On topic I always find verbal abuse report redundant since you can either add the annoying prick to your ignore list or on your chat filter. The term "Verbal Abuse" is too vague to be defined accurately and people often mixed it up with swearing. It is silly when you chide somebody and get reported for verbal abuse.

On point!

Look everyone, I'm not saying I'm perfect because I'm actually the furthest thing from it, okay? Maybe I did bring it on myself by fighting fire with fire, but in most cases, the aggressor started off as a mouthy jerk who reports me for resigning, not facing two-monk teams (with NO MONK whatsoever), having vamp on *accident or not* etc... So, what's their intent?

i.e.: You're paired up with a:

W/Mo20 (spamming breeze, orison, etc..),
A/Any20 (with no Increased Attack Speed, Movement Speed, damage, etc.. and 1/2 a template of self-heals)
N20 (no secondary, spamming blood spells and Life/Siphon-Xfer til he/she drops)

You mapped in on your vampiric weapon (with intent on swapping back) and see no monk on your team. You resign after the counter, having seen your opposition of PnH/WoH Monk, W/E Shock Axe and E/Me Mindblast (Distortionist).

///////reported

At this point, I for one know with 100% certainty that we lost this match up. W/Mo on the other hand.. thinks we can win! So does the N20! and the sin just wants to spammy spam his self-heals til he's dropped like a bad habit.

Should ANY player (not just about "me me me" like some people, who seem to percieve this thread as just my personal Qq..) be forced to waste time in many, many matches with similar circumstances, dieing over and over and over and over and over and.. (you get the point)... Basically, being forced to roll in the mud with these losers.

Why give the wicked and maliciously childish part of the community what they want?! (the ability to abuse others via wasting other player's time, denying them resign (or escape), manipulating them in any way, shape or form they see fit *like a puppet*..) It's kind of like when a little 3 year old crys and rolls on the floor, beating the ground repeatedly until his mommy/daddy buy him that candy bar he wanted.. and hence, giving them their way.. every time!

Doesn't the above strike you as worse than getting angry and cursing at the aggressor?! Why does the chat filter and ignore list exist, then?! ffs?!

Eragon Zarroc · May 22, 2009, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

My verbal abuse was a direct result of RA and the conditions (i.e.: grief, anguish, etc.. via spite, abuse, etc..)

Stop complaining because you cannot act like a civilized person and refrain yourself from verbally abusing people in a game. Stop acting like a victim when you are displaying nothing more than bad sportsmanship and have to suffer punishment as a result.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

On point!

the aggressor started off as a mouthy jerk

Why give the wicked and maliciously childish part of the community what they want?!

It's kind of like when a little 3 year old crys and rolls on the floor, beating the ground repeatedly until his mommy/daddy buy him that candy bar he wanted.. and hence, giving them their way.. every time!

Doesn't the above strike you as worse than getting angry and cursing at the aggressor?! Why does the chat filter and ignore list exist, then?! ffs?!

You sound just as childish and immature as the people you are complaining about, exemplified by these ranting complaints. Not only do you verbally abuse people while in game, you continue to do so in this thread. You are verbally abusing people in a thread that is complaining about you getting punished for verbally abusing people...ironic? All your problems will be solved if you just refrain from typing and keep your thoughts and insults to yourself. Simple.

Vazze · May 22, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

///////reported

At this point, I for one know with 100% certainty that we lost this match up. W/Mo on the other hand.. thinks we can win! So does the N20! and the sin just wants to spammy spam his self-heals til he's dropped like a bad habit.

The point of DHC+report was to make RA more attractive for beginners. If pvpers could just enter RA, play with reasonably good teammates and with reasonably interesting random team builds, then less would accept the hassle that goes with setting up HA/TA/HvH teams and the higher level in RA would alienate your useless (as an ... on an elbow) blood sucking necro teammate, which is bad. Poor guy wants to play pvp, he should be able to do it somewheres.

Chicken Ftw · May 22, 2009, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Getting mad at people in RA for having bad builds is a lot like going to the slums and getting mad at people living there for being poor. It's just where they dwell.